Well then there's no point to ever have any sort of serious discussion about it and the idea should never be taken seriously when talking about DB/DBO as something must be official for it to be considered canon.

Yep, you're right. There's no reason why we can't have a serious discussion about it, but it would be futile, since neither of us can completely prove our point.

But what makes you think that your idea is any more serious than mine? You're dismissing my idea for yours (that Goku would not have a thousand years worth of life), which is hypocritical since you are just replacing my non-official interpretation with yours. Who's to say your interpretation should be considered canon and mine shouldn't? Or that your interpretation is any more right than mine?

You're saying that anyone who discusses any ideas to the contrary of the Old Kai giving Goku anything more than just life is fallacious, since they can't prove it. But your argument for the Old Kai giving Goku only life is just as fallacious as anyone elses argument for him giving Goku the amount of years he had left as well. You can't actually prove that the Old Kai gave him just life, and not the thousand years attached to it as well.

So stop pretending like your interpretation is the end-all be-all of interpretations on this matter. You aren't any more right than I am, and your interpretation isn't any closer to being canon than mine is.

Both interpretations should be taken seriously, because they both have as much of a chance as being considered canon as each other. Neither interpretation is any more right than the other.

do u play DBO?

I'm not. If it turns out that Goku is still alive in DBO i'll happily accept it. I just choose to base what I believe on facts instead of assumptions.

Again, the only thing I'm saying is that Old Kai gave his life so that Goku can live. That clearly did happen. You cannot prove that anything else happened behind the scenes as there are no facts to justify it; so whatever crazy ideas you come up with should never be taken seriously as, again, it's not canon (I'd consider ideas like this something closer to fan fiction).

In the same exact way you say that Goku should live another 1000 years I could say that since Goku has the life of a Kai (as according to you) he should eventually turn into a Kai. This idea is just as valid as yours and should be taken just as seriously as yours.

I think he forgot to say Goku eventually turned into purple dude and finally became supreme kai as it was meant to be.And then Goku said I am bored i will send a vision to nekroturkey to flame on forums,because I am the supreme kai am i?good thing i can see future said goku and went to sleep.And then he was dreaming about nekroturkey discussing some irrelevant and pointless things.And funny thing is those things are always the ones which cant be prooved.Thats a funny notice.

i bet he dont even play DBO xD

Yeah, you are.

Your interpretation is that after the Old Kai gave Goku life, the remaining years that the Old Kai had left did not crossover to Goku.

You're not arguing for what the Old Kai did for Goku, you're arguing about your interpretation of what happens to Goku after what the Old Kai does. Saying that your interpretation of what happens to Goku is the only right, and canon one because trying to prove any other outcome is fallacy, since there is no evidence to support any other outcome. But ironically, your interpretation of the outcome is fallacy as well, since you can't prove it either.

You can't prove that the years did not crossover in the transitional phase of the Old Kai's life from himself to Goku, just like I can't prove they did.

Like I said...



What facts are there to support the idea that Goku is still alive? You say you base what you believe on facts, but you have no facts to back up what you believe. You base what you believe on your own interpretations and assumptions, and then claim them to be right.

There aren't enough facts or explanations to make a definitive conclusion on whether or not Goku is still alive or if he is dead in DBO.

Note (again) that I'm not saying that because it was never proven/disproven, it's true/false. I'm saying that there's no more evidence to support your ideas than there are mine.

You can't prove you are anymore right than me, or that your ideas are anymore canon than mine.

We both agree that the Old Kai gave Goku his life, right? So that Goku could live. I mean we would have to believe this, as it happened.

After these facts though, is where our interpretations differ. You believe that Goku was just granted life, and not the amount of life the Old Kai had left. I believe that the amount of life that the Old Kai had left transferred to Goku.

We both have reasonable, logical conclusions that should both be taken in to serious consideration when determining what will become of Goku in DBO.


None of my "assumptions" are based on behind-the-scenes events that we are unaware of. They are logical conclusions from what the Old Kai said, and are made known to the reader at the time the Old Kai said them.

Let me lay it out like this....

1. The Old Kai says he has a thousand years of life left.

2. The Old Kai gives his life to Goku.

3. Goku is now revived because the Old Kai gave Goku his life.

These three things are indisputable, and are the only three things we agree on. Correct?

After this though, is where our opinions differ, because of our interpretations of the outcome...

4a(Cit). Goku has now been revived back to life, but not with the amount of life the Old Kai had left.

4b(nekro). Goku has now been revived back to life, and with the amount of life the Old Kai had left.

These are two completely reasonable, and unproven outcomes.

It's reasonable to assume that since Goku was revived with the Old Kai's life, that the remaining life the Old Kai had left would've been transferred to Goku too. It's also reasonable to assume that the Old Kai gave Goku life in general, and not any specific amount of years.


If that's your prerogative, then go ahead. But it is in no way similar to what I'm saying.

I have evidence to back up my claims, I'm not just pulling the thousand years out from nowhere. The Old Kai said it himself, and then gave his life to Goku. It's not unreasonable to assume then, that the remaining life would be transferred to Goku. My argument is substantiated by the fact that the Old Kai had a thousand years worth of life left (as stated by him), and gave his entire life to Goku.

There is no evidence to back up the claim that Goku would turn in to a little purple Kai though. This assumption is unsubstantiated that is just being pulled out from thin air with nothing to back it up. Also, if he would inevitably turn in to a Kai, why wouldn't he turn in to a Kai immediately? Why would he "eventually" turn in to a Kai? Like I said, this is in no way a similar example to what I'm trying to prove. These are unsubstantiated assumptions that are based on nothing.


hahaha u krazy xDD

u lik june bug in april LOL wat the heck wud a june bug be duin in april haha krazy xD april isnt june rofl !!

Just for the record, your only piece of evidence is Old Kai saying he has 1000 years left to live. The evidence for Goku turning into a Kai is that Old Kai is a Kai. Just as Goku would get 1000 years because he's getting a life that has 1000 years left, Goku would turn into a Kai because he's getting a life that's a Kai's life.


He wouldn't turn into a Kai immediately because we know he didn't turn into a Kai immediately. Just as you can make up the rules about how Goku gets the 1000 Kai years I can make up rules saying that the change would be gradual.

The only real difference between what you're saying and me saying Goku would become a Kai is that you agree with one idea and not the other. Other than that they both have some evidence supporting them and nothing that can say they're impossible. All that's really left now is for you to realize that.

Very Very Good!

Uh no. The fact that the Old Kai gave his life to Goku after proclaiming he had a thousand years worth of life left is evidence as well. Goku wouldn't have gotten the thousand years worth of life if the Old Kai had only proclaimed to have a thousand years worth of life, and hadn't of actually given his life to Goku.

If I said I have five apples right now, does that mean that I would magically have zero apples and you would magically have five apples appear on your lap right after I said that? No. But what if I said I have five apples right now, came over to you, and gave them all to you. Then that would mean I have zero apples, and you would have five. You see, the part where I actually give you the apples myself is key.

Also, the problem with your theory is that the Old Kai would cease being a Kai himself after giving Goku his life, would he not? The Old Kai obviously did not lose his ability to be a Kai when he died, as he was still a Kai, even in death. So it's obvious that the only thing that transferred from the Old Kai to Goku is the amount of life the Old Kai had left, and not the ability to become a Kai.

The Old Kai was giving Goku his life, not his ability to be a Kai.


If the Old Kai lost his life as a result of giving it to Goku, then wouldn't Goku becoming a Kai show that the Old Kai gave his Kai-ship to Goku as well? Meaning that the Old Kai would've not only lost his life, but his ability to be a Kai as well?

That obviously isn't the case, because like I said, he was still a Kai in death. The only thing the Old Kai gave Goku was the remaining years on his life.

Stop comparing your incomparable, and insultingly trivialized examples to my arguments.

EDIT: I wasn't going to post this, but I just feel the need to want to point out the continued hypocrisy in your posts, Citrinate. You claim that I'm making up rules when it comes to this thousand year business, but so are you.

You're accusing me of making up the rule that when the Old Kai gives his life to Goku, it would automatically give him the thousand years as well.

But you're making up the rule that when the Old Kai gives Goku his life, it would only give him life and not the years attached to it.

What makes your rules anymore justifiable than mine?

You have this insentient need to want to claim your arguments are true, even though you can't prove it anymore than I can prove my arguments. You constantly point out the flaws in my argument, even though your argument suffers from exactly the same flaws. But even suffering from the same flaws, you believe yourself to be right anyway. You also seem to have a nagging habit of trying to manipulate situations with incomparably trivialized examples just so you can further your own agenda in this argument, to make yourself seem more right than you actually are.

So I'd appreciate it if you would knock off the bullcrap.