*Spit Take*

Please, let's not take this argument there. But you know, there's only one bed shown at Kami's Palace in the recent video game Attack of the Saiyans... but I'd just assume Mr. Popo sleeping outside or something. :p

Either way, my final thoughts on this argument are simple, I just don't buy it since there's not enough supporting evidence. It's just as true as the above statement, it's a matter of your perspective on it, regardless of how much common sense it defies.

Everybody dies.

Unless you happen to be a certain movie character named after a food ingredient I happen to had... (And no, I'm not a vampire)

Like I said above, if the first part is true, the second part would be fact based on the first part being the outcome. Just because we can't show how Goku would age as a result of the second part being a fact doesn't mean it would be any less of a fact, it would just mean we wouldn't know or couldn't show how Goku would age as a result of running off of a thousand years.


You keep saying that you aren't trying to argue any other alternate ideas as to what unidentified consequence could happen as a result of the Old Kai giving Goku life, but as I already mentioned, having nothing happen is an unidentified consequence. You are trying to argue that the Old Kai only gives Goku life and nothing else. We don't know that Goku only got just life and nothing else, just like we don't know if Goku got the thousand years attached to it as well. You are arguing that the only logical outcome is that Goku got nothing other than life.

I wouldn't give you so much flack for this if you were only trying to argue that we don't know what happens after the Old Kai gives Goku his life (other than Goku being alive again and the Old Kai being dead), because I would agree. But we both know that's not the only thing you're trying to argue. Not knowing what happens and saying nothing happens are two completely different things.


But if the answer is not in DBO, the only thing we can do is rely on our speculations and interpretations, until they are proven correct or are contradicted by the canon.

I'm only arguing that this is another logical conclusion that should be taken in to serious consideration when trying to figure out what the outcome is, and that it is deduced from what we know and don't know. This isn't my personal stance on the issue though, as I've said a few times already. I'm only arguing that this is what I think did happen if Goku got a thousand years worth of life from the Old Kai. If you want to know what I personally believe on the matter, I'll tell you.

I personally believe that either way, both of our arguments have just as much of an equal chance at being right/canon as each other, as like I've said, we can't prove our arguments anymore than each other. There just isn't enough information out on this subject to make a determining decision. And like you said (even though you aren't actually acting like it), I choose to only believe what is for certainly canon, and not what isn't.

What we are sure about, what we know is canon, is that Goku got life again and the Old Kai is dead. After that, I don't know, and neither does anyone else. I don't know if nothing else happened, just like I don't know if he got a thousand years.

I think that it's possible that he got a thousand years worth of life, just like I think it's possible he only got life and nothing else. They both seem like logical outcomes. I'll entertain both notions as possible outcomes until I see some more evidence that helps one seem more likely than the other, and when that happens, I'll side with the outcome that seems the most likely to be correct, as that would be the one that would seemingly be closer to the canon.

But I'm not just going to sit around and have someone say that there is only one "logical" outcome when there obviously isn't. Even if I don't believe the outcome that I'm arguing for is the 100% right one, I'm still going to argue that it's as much of logical possibility as the other outcome, since it is. I believe both have as much of a chance as being correct as each other as logical outcomes, and that both should be taken in to serious consideration. I also don't care which one ends up being the right one.

I know that saying nothing happened is an alternative idea. I'm not saying nothing happened though as, again, for me to say nothing happened I'd first have to say that your idea can't happen which, again, I can't say. I really hope I don't have to keep repeating myself like this.


Yes I know what you're arguing and I'm saying that your idea is fine as long as you keep it and the canon completely separate. Just realize that, based on the information we have, anything you come up with will never be considered anything other than fan fiction.

You can't even compare your idea with any of the other possibly infinite non-contradicting ideas there could be; as that would just be comparing two equally valid opinions and it will get you nowhere.


If there was an answer we'd almost certainly have it by now. If there's no new information that pushes us towards an answer in DBO then we'll never get one.

Topic: Is Goku still alive or not?

My answer: No.

C what I did thar?

If you say so.


I am keeping it separate from the canon in the sense that I'm not trying to prove that it is canon, or a part of the canon. You make it sound as if that's what I'm trying to do, which it isn't. I'm just trying to show that it's a possible candidate for being canon, or to be a part of the canon (until we get more information on this subject at least).


Just because we haven't gotten an answer yet doesn't mean we might not get one eventually. The lore of DBO is still fairly incomplete.

The only thing DBO would need to do to disprove Goku getting a thousand years is to have a date of death. That's, of course, assuming he dies a natural death and didn't die because he got killed.

I COULD see the developers of this game introducing Goku at some point in this game during the real time of DBO, instead of only Time Machine Quests. I mean, in the original Dragon Ball Z series, he was allowed to keep his body in the after life because his whole goal in life was to save and protect the planet and all of its beings. With Baba, Goku is able to go back to Earth even though he's deceased, like in the Buu Saga when he made the appearance to join the others at the Martial Arts tournament and whatnot.

I could see him making a similar appearance like that in DBO, if not to help save the world once more, then just to help the DBO fighters train or something.

the thing about him is he can never really die anymore. the fact that he can use instant transmission makes it possible for him to freely move between worlds when ever he wants.

That's not entirely true. He had to rely on Baba to go to Earth and have free roam for only a day, even though he already knew Instant Transmission. I don't think he has much power with going back to Earth with Instant Transmission alone.