The assumption being made is that these Saiyan Hybrids are too diluted to meet the SSJ 2 & 3 requirements. Seeing as the diluted blood has caused them to lose Zenkai, tails, and even the massive potential human-saiyan hybrids tend to have, us not being able to go further into Super Saiyan than we have(especially since we don't have the ability to trigger it on our own) is a very reasonable assumptions. Half of everything we know in this day and age are based on reasonable assumption.

The stupidity just in this one statement is ridiculous.

Why don't you elaborate instead of throwing insults. A lot of people always screamed "unbalanced!", especially noobs because they made crap builds and couldn't change them. I'm not saying the game was balanced well, but it would have been way easier to fix and balance the game if everyone could experiment with a lot more builds.


If all the races could wish for the first transformation, I believe they could have the potential to reach a higher level somehow. The saiyan gene could have taken over the human gene, or achieving the next transformation could be taught by Goku, Piccolo and Buu. Or at least it could have been written that way. I'm not the best writer, but they could have come up with good reason.

I'd like to know people's opinions on how they would have kept the game running for at least 10 years? What would you have added? How would you have gotten players to keep coming back to the game?

I didn't PvP so I can't say how unbalanced the classes were myself, but I can say this. Having builds in games is nothing new, and neither is resets costing money. Anyone who wanted to PvP but didn't have a good build endgame is new to gaming, they're still learning how it works. When these people cry unbalanced, nobody should pay any mind.

When tons people who have researched their builds and have a good one at endgame are crying unbalanced, not only should you pay mind to it, but it clearly has NOTHING to do with resets as they don't need any resets. This is the situation DBO was in.

I don't need to elaborate. That statement was incredibly stupid and inaccurate. Resets being expensive had nothing to do with classes being unbalanced. Resets don't have any effect on what the skills themselves do.

im with you...except for the p2p...but most of the other stuff

I wasn't making that statement, I said "A big reason people thought the game was 'unbalanced' was because skill resets costed real money or a lot of in-game money." I don't agree with those people saying the game was very unbalanced, but I guarantee the reason a lot of people said that was because they were stuck with a crappy build.

If skill resets costed only zeni, there would be less noob players shouting "unbalanced". We would also have a lot more experimental builds and really see what's balanced and what isn't.


Thanks, I'm just thinking of ways DBO could have survived while bringing better updates, they seemed to be tight on money. If they released it worldwide f2p it would've caught on a lot better.

I'll just nitpick this, now shall i ;)

Majin, Pure form, it works, evidently
Super form, how so? just super form? tall and skinny? or what else did you have in mind? #best idea 2013

Absorbing Ability - Just your description makes this incredibly stupid, it may sound super fun, but it'd be buggy as hell, and most likely the same as child birth in the form of code, it'd be extremely extreme painful to do.

and by far a terrible idea, even though it was one of buu's major abilities, it just wouldn't work in an MMO standard, sure it'd work in a static dragonball game, but, far from any dynamic approach would work.

Remember they are just humans, HUMANS, plus that small, small part of saiyan heritage they have.
the super saiyan is nothing more then an artificial form granted by shenron, or you know he unlocked that tiny bit of potential you had until you were at your max, which is super saiyan.

Diluted blood is a major reason, just because shenron either granted you a transformations that may or may not be the real deal, that doesn't mean, we can unlock further transformations.

is or was Vegeta on par with Goku? the prince of all saiyans? nope. Goku surpassed him greatly.
Why didn't Vegeta get ssj3? because he just wasn't capable of it. atleast to what akira toriyama has suggested. what makes you think, hybrid that extremely more human then saiyan, should be able to best a full blood? Shenron? Ask dende.

Now Namekians, my favorite race in the game.
Super Namek? what do you suggest he does? Screams super namek and then he's a super namek?
I'm aware of what a super namekian is, it's just a super stronk desu namek, it doesn't have any visual differences.

In which Piccolo had to preform fusion to achieve this title, i see what you're suggesting you sly devil, nope, no fusion.

Piccolo was plenty, super stronk desu before fusion though, as that's how he achieved the super namek desu title aswell.

Ultimate Namek? Now you're just fucking with me, yes ofcourse by the end of dbz, he was about as strong as a super saiyan, so stronger then Goten, Trunks, and Vegeta(Base), not Gohan or Goku as previously, SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan, vegeta was still at his stock, ssj2.

It's still considered Super namek, as it's a title for those namekians, who unlock their potential fully, which he did. It's not a transformation.

Yes, female Majin Buu's did not exist at the end of the Dragonball Manga, ofcourse, evidently
But, as the lore of dbo states, he creates, his wifu miss buu~ and they have a child, and you know boom, adam and eve, shizz right there. so fast forward, 214 years, it's a full developed race.

Majin buu wasn't completely evil, by majin buu i mean, the big fat chubby ass cracker.

http://www.onemanga.me/dragon-ball/482/
http://www.onemanga.me/dragon-ball/484/

Majin Buu eventually you see, gain humility, which you know he starts to understand and gain broader span of emotions, which causes him to create Miss Buu after seeing Mr.Satan's pornbook "Bob and Margret"

The race is entirely justified and has been created as an actually race with proof heralding from the manga. so that's out the window.



Yes they wanted it, but it's also because it's the major thing about saiyan/human side of the game, you can't have dragonball game without staring Super Saiyan, Nameks, and or Majin buu appearing in some shape or form.

Time machines just allows you to go back in time, if you are aware of what time travel actually means, it allows you to go back in time to that cost of potentially destorying the timeline, as trunks explains, that is why he stays for his entire time, and then leaves, and doesn't come back.

In the dbo timeline (story) "When traveling back in time, Miira and the Time Breakers have created temporal distortions in the past, thus it is now possible for people who get sucked in to change the past."

Thus that is how the time machine quests work as they go to fix the timeline.



What game were you playing? DBO Was unbalanced as they set all the ratios extremely high for what they could do, 250% + x2 if critical has been successful? what is that? Kamehame's got to up to and above 500%, that is just ridiculous, no matter what build you have, you were either going to be easily one shot, people with 32k LP (SK/DW, DC+GN) If you weren't full specced in E.def or M.def with anti critical, you would be most likely one shot.

that was from one skill, usually. I don't see how a skill reset or the price of them would effect that.



not to activate but actually achieve it in the first place is completely different story.
if you were to achieve the form yourself your saiyan heritage would be clearly there, so nothing less then 1/5, would be recommended, plus the potential for ssj must be there aswell, hence why pan would/could never go ssj.

Gameplay of a character player through a story mission? wow, such convincing proof.
my dende could also do that, my healer, hmm, was dende able to do that? was dende even capable of combat? no, why? because each class should be the ability to hold their own, in atleast some form of combat, not be the best, but able to do it, and considering you can build your character any way you wanted, i had mine as tanky, pvp, healer.

I was solo'ing TMQ4 at level 48.

This proves just about nothing.


Most likely it would have reached level 100.
if they had plans for more transformations, it would most likely be added forms onto ssj.
if they ever had plans for other races.

They've had Engineer since early 2011 even possibly late 2010, they never released as there was no class for the other races.

sure they could of released engineer for all races, but that would be extremely weird.
Game design is on massive level when it's something as big as dragonball.

lack of content and lack of a community, it died, in quite honestly not just because no content,
because there was no support, it all became about cashing, spamming kraken, or cellx, then who could out bug the other person,

there just was absolutely no support from wasabii, you may say "oh well HK master server"
nope, don't even go there.

Yes, ideas are always good, nice to see, but they are very baseless.
an idea has to be organised and proper, these have holes in them.
Like cheese. and i don't particularly like holes in my cheese.

Events could of helped it, but i basically told you why it died.

Support, you have your game a community you, the developer, and the player base, you've got a golden mmo, blizzard knows this, Areanet knows this, even the SWGEmu team know this and they're doing the same exact thing we're attempting to do.

and they're doing it well.


DBO died, late 2012, why? because of the Level70 and scouter update, crafting update, just all these things, they did it so poorly, they didn't even remove the scouter chip page from the AH house, now that's some super poor stuff right there, and they didn't think about replacing anything in the dragonballs from the quests either, after the 70patch, collecting the 7 quest tier dragonballs were incredibly pointless. other then for xp there was no point at all in getting them, you barely anything from it. other then, "I SUMMONED SHENRON! OH BOY! "

Dragonball heroes is successful as it's purely spin off, it's not canon in any shape or form
it's was vastly made popular because of the card game, and it brings everything, that was remotely cool about dragonball, it has elements of GT, Fillers, and anything else, it was made to sell well, not to stick to the db universe.

and yes, it's insanely fun (DS game that is, haven't played the arcade)
the budget is massive as carddass games are super popular.
MMO's are alot more expensive to produce and maintain then, a arcade game, ds game
which are both build of card games.

It's no big surprise that i will sell, not to mention dragonball heroes got so much coverage, because of stupid trolls and the like promoting it as "DB HOSHI" or what ever the crap that was.

That's enough uh, picking at this, i'm going back to work now.

Well, I see you had time to shit on literally everything I said with sarcastic jokes about how nothing would've worked lol. I think the DBO team was capable of a lot more than you think, if they had the money. I sure hope this DBORevelations thing is actually real, please post some proof soon.

1,447 words, of pure constructive criticism, yeah we'll call it that.
I don't doubt the ability of the NTL team, it's hard to try and find something that fits into the canon, such as they did, they did an extremely good job for something that isn't a mobile game, and that's great.

It's real, why would anyone in their right mind, go to all this trouble for it to be a hoax.
What kind of proof would you like?
raw code?

I'd suggest liking the facebook page, where most of our updates are posted.