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These are assumptions, not facts.
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The Old Kai gave Goku his life. True?
Goku was using the Old Kai's life as his own. True?
These are not assumptions, these are facts.
The only one that could be considered an assumption is the thousand years of life Goku would have as a result of running off of the Old Kai's life. From a point of view (mine) it would be seen as a fact. From yours though, you seem to think it an assumption.
If you have two cars, one with 0 gallons of gas and another with a 1000 gallons of gas, and you take the 1000 gallons of gas and put it in to the other car that was empty, how many gallons of gas do each of the cars have now?
The previously empty one would now be at 1000 and would be able to use the 1000 gallons of gas it got from the other car as its own.
That's how I see the Old Kai giving his life to Goku. Goku had 0 gallons of gas, so the Old Kai gave him all of his gas. By giving Goku all of his gas though, he went down to 0 himself. But Goku would now have a 1000 gallons of gas that he could use from himself, even though the gas wasn't his, but he is using it as his.
It seems as much of a fact to me as the two cars example.
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Yes, I know what you're saying, but the truth is they don't go in-depth at all. You're basing these assumptions on your interpretation of what Old Kai said.
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And you're basing your assumptions on your interpretation of why you think nothing is said at all, after it happens.
The series doesn't go indepth on this subject, and nothing is ever said regarding it after it happens, so it must not be true, or is very unlikely. Right?
Your assumptions don't hold any more water than my supposed assumptions do. We could go at this forever, and dig up every little small fact about the series to use in our discussion, but the truth is that until it gets officially confirmed or denied, neither of our arguments will hold any more water than the other.
You base your arguments off of the lack of depth and clarity this issue has in the series, but ironically it hurts your argument just as much as it helps. The lack of clarity and depth this issue has provides enough leverage to make an argument that it might not be true, but not enough to prove anything.
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I never said that I agreed with what she said or that that's how it has to work either. All I was saying is that you can only say that, during a lifespan transfer, 1000 Kai years equals 1000 Saiyan years with another assumption.
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I never said you agreed with her either.
What I said is that you never chose to point out the falsities in the argument of differences in the measurements of time between Humans and Kai's until I brought it up again in my post. You're quick to point out my supposed assumptions, but not the assumptions of anyone else that shares the same view points as you, or furthers your agenda in this discussion.
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Yeah, I know that I can't say it's impossible and I never have. All I'm saying is the only thing that we can say for sure is that Old Kai gave his life to Goku resulting in a dead Kai and a living Goku.
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That touches on what I was saying to Jhonclaus55...
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Ya but you could debate this for 48 hours straight and still not come to a conclusion......
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Yes, that's true. We could. lol
It comes with the territory of debating something that doesn't have an official right or wrong answer, and with enough evidence to support either side.
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We both have enough evidence to support both our sides (note how I said to support, and not to prove). Like both you and I mentioned earlier, the series doesn't go indepth on this issue. Neither of us, no matter what facts we use or assumptions we make, will be able to say for sure if Goku really did get a thousand years worth of life and is still alive in the main DBO timeline, or if he did not get a thousand years and is dead in the main timeline of DBO.
Not until it gets officially confirmed or denied, that is.
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In the end, unless you can provide facts for your claims, your argument is fallacious. In a similar fashion you can make up anything you want about Dragon Ball (provided it doesn't contradict anything), but you can never tell anyone that what you create is true/canon because of this fallacy.
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I have facts, just not enough to prove myself completely in the eyes of people with different interpretations. There are enough facts present to show that Goku being able to live for a thousand more years is a possibility. There just isn't enough facts (in my arguments or in Dragon Ball in general) to prove it completely.
The reason why is because it hasn't been given a chance to be proven or denied. None of the characters from the series, or anyone involved in the creation of the series confirmed or denied it. We also haven't seen Goku yet in DBO (main timeline). We don't know if Goku's lack of presence in DBO (the main timeline) is because he is dead, or if it's just because they haven't implemented him in yet.
This applies to you as well though. The fact that there is a lack of an explanation or depth on this subject leaves room for doubt, but the lack of depth and explanations alone doesn't prove it is false.
Note that I am not saying that just because it was never disproven/proven, that it would true/false. I am saying that because it was never confirmed/denied officially, or because it was expanded on thoroughly enough, we can't say for sure either way.
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im about to end this debate with math science...now watch close. lets be reasonable and use logic here since assumptions are meaningless, even if he gave goku 1000 years of life that doesnt mean his body wouldnt age and the only reasonable conclusion that can be made is that he would in fact age normally considering roshi who is immortal is not immune to the effects of aging and thus this would make him by this point in the story old and completely useless in battle. that conclusion is being drawn from the fact that the daizenshuu it explains saiyan physiology and talks about their aging patterns, stating that their life span is the same as those of humans which would average around 80 years. they dont age slower than humans but instead age in spurts so while they stay in their prime for a longer time, they will eventually go through a rapid aging and decline the same way humans would with the only difference being that humans do it at a more gradual rate instead of all at once. talking about human biology here, when humans hit around the age of 90 the aging process effectively stops because your body hits a perfect homeostasis between the level of of degradation and healing meaning that in theory once you hit a certain age as long as you do not suffer trauma or illness you can live indefinitely. you will notice that with very elderly people it is usually illness that gets them rather than their bodies ceasing to work and there is no reason to assume a saiyan body would be any different. but as i said, this would leave us with an old man unable to fight and still there is nothing even suggested that this is the case so until anything prior is said we will have to consider this theory incorrect. there is the second theory that his life just went into goku and gave him the normal life span he was supposed to have and this is the one i am inclined to believe since there is no evidence to suggest anything otherwise and the basic rule of philosophy being the simplest answer is always the right one. but there is also the theory floating around with the "dog years" idea this unlike the other two is completely impossible for the following reason. it is stated that the normal life of a kai is around 75,000 years which would average out to one kai year being about 930 human years give or take. if goku took the life of a kai that only had 1000 years left on it and the normal life of a saiyan is 80 years then that would mean that he was only granted less than a year of time in his body. that is something we know to be false because the series ends a few years after the fight with buu and goku is still in full health. this leaves us with the only reasonable option that goku was infact given his normal life back because it is never otherwise stated. it is infact even impossible to speculate otherwise because there is no evidence pointing in another direction.
sorry about the text wall and i didnt proof read this so if its incoherent then sorry about that also.
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You can't use real world logic to disprove things in a fantasy/fictitious series like Dragon Ball. There are too many variables to cover that you would need to take in to consideration (including unknown variables due to the lack of the series depth in certain subjects), and there would be way too many assumptions that would need to be made. I applaud your effort, and I think you make a good argument, but the Dragon Ball world doesn't follow the same rules as the real world.
Humans in the show aren't like Humans in the real world. I mean just look at
Chiaotzu. He's human, and in the course of the entire series from the first time we see him until the last time we see him, he never actually ages (in the normal sense). He always maintains the look of someone who is like 7-8 years old.
People fly, and turn in to androids, and there are walking/talking animals with sniper and assault rifles. There are just too many differences that would make it impossible to come up with an accurate conclusion based on real world logic.
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