I remember something like that in the manga too, but from what I know, the Viz translation is a bit off, so I take the exact wording with a grain of salt. I don't think he mentioned he couldn't have defeated Boo, but rather that he wanted to leave the fighting to the next generation since he was dead.

By the way, do you exclusively watch Dragon Ball on the internet, or do you watch it through box sets and what not?

Edit: I double checked the Viz translation of the manga. Apparently, he does say he might not be able to defeat Boo even if he was Super Saiyan 3.

lol u cant transfer years of your life, this aint deathnote all they simply did was bring goku back to life via the old kai dying simply yin and yang really, old kai gave up his life(not life span) and goku got his life(not the life span of the old kai) back.

I'd suggest you reread my statement, smartass.

You said that it isn't something to be glossed over if it is infact true, that if it was true, it should've held a more important role in the series (Goku having a thousand years worth of life). I said that just because they didn't go in to more thorough detail, or go more indepth on the subject, doesn't mean it isn't true.

I did NOT say that just because it was never disproven meant that it was true.

You on the other hand, are saying that because it wasn't proven completely in the show means it's false.

"The argument from ignorance,[1] also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"[1][2]), or negative evidence,[1] is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true."

I want you to read over that bolded part very carefully.


Um, that's because the Old Kai did not give Goku his life yet at this point. He did not have the thousand years the Old Kai was talking about at this point, so of course he would think to not be around forever. Goku was still borrowing his own life for a few days at this point, to return to Earth, and his time was running out. That's why he said he wouldn't be around forever.

This part of the series has absolutely no bearing on what we are talking about right now, because it's an event that happens before the situation that we are discussing.


Fact : The Old Kai had 1000 years of life left in him, as he stated himself in the MANGA.

Fact : The Old Kai GAVE Goku his own life to revive Goku.

Fact : Goku was running off of the Old Kai's life, and not his own.

Fact : If Goku was running off the thousand years of life the Old Kai had left, then that in turn would mean he would have a thousand years worth of life.

Just because you don't want to admit that these are facts doesn't mean they aren't.

Let me put it like this...

Let's say you have 5 apples, and a friend of yours has 10 apples. Now let's say you loose your 5 apples and you're left with 0 apples. Your friend then gives you all of his apples, and he now has 0. You, at this point, have all of the apples that your friend had.

How many apples do you have? You have your friends 10 apples that he had given to you. They aren't your apples, but he's letting you have them as if they were your own. The 10 apples was the amount of apples your friend had, that he had given to you.

At this point in time, you no longer have your apples, but all of your friends. Which means you have 10 apples.

It's the same concept with what the Old Kai did for Goku. Goku was dead (he had 0 apples) and the Old Kai still had a thousand years of his life left (10 apples left). The Old Kai gave his thousand years worth of life to Goku (he gave his 10 apples to Goku) and then Goku now had the Old Kai's life (he now had all of the Old Kai's apples, which were 10). The Old Kai is now dead (he now has 0 apples), and Goku has his thousand years worth of life (all of his 10 apples).

You need to understand that Goku didn't have his own apples, the 10 apples he now has were the Old Kai's apples given to him by the Old Kai. He is indefinitely borrowing the Old Kai's personal apples and using them as his own, even though they aren't his own apples.

To translate: Goku isn't using his own life, he is using the thousand years worth of life the Old Kai gave to him. He is using the thousand years worth of life the Old Kai gave to him as his own life, even though it isn't his own life. He is indefinitely borrowing the Old Kai's life.


It's based on the Human/dog years theory Kizya brought up in the post I quoted, which you didn't seem to have a problem with when she originally posted it. But as soon as I expanded on the subject, you started to have a problem with what I said.

Kizya mentioned that we are like dogs to the Kai's in the sense that we age faster and live shorter lives. I was expanding on this speculation with the fact that even if that were true, the Kai still would've had to of been referring to Human years when he made the 1000 years worth of life left estimation. Which means that if he was referring to Human years, then that 1000 years he had would've transferred to Goku as exactly a 1000 years worth of life, by Human standards.

I wasn't the one who was assuming that the Kai's and Humans live in two different measurements of time (like dogs and Humans). Kizya was.

I wasn't the one who brought up the whole speculation around two different measurements of time between species when it comes to aging. Kizya was.

Kizya based her theory on Kai's and Humans having different measurements of time on nothing but an assumption that just because dogs and Humans have different measurements of time, Kai's and Humans would too.

Yet you seem to only want to point out the supposed flaws and assumptions in what I say, and not with what she says. Why is that?

Is it because Kizya's assumptions and speculations further your agenda in this discussion and aren't contradictory to your point of view that you don't point out their flaws?

I'd appreciate it if you would at least try and act like you don't have double standards.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex

Also, when you say "insightive things", do you mean things that agree with your point of view? Things that agree with your representation of how things should be perceived in the series?


luuul rly ??

I don't see you tearing apart his assumptions, Citrinate. Why is that?

He assumes you can't transfer years of life. He assumes that Goku didn't get the Old Kai's lifespan. He has no proof or facts to back up anything he says.

Again, you only seem to have a problem when people supposedly start assuming stuff that are contradictory to your point of view, and not when it furthers your own agenda, Citrinate.

and u also have no proof to back up what u said u ignorant dumbass.

Just because you choose not to see the proof doesn't mean it's not there.


o gosh pls dont huwt me mista scawy intwenet man ;;;;;;;;;;;

i cant help not seeing what dont exist.

Wouldn't that be a paradox and hypocritical saying that? You are complaining about something you're doing yourself.

i think this thread has gotten really off topic... also if hes not in dbo then he must not be alive........ am i correct?

Yes, I believe so.

Thats what i though. I think people just like to think goku there "Almighty Savior" is still out there........